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In the Mac Vs PC topic Tom mentioned that he wanted to hear more about the podcast and generally podcast related stuff.

So, thought I would start a topic where people could ask any qiuestions about the show. The editing, software techniques or whatever they like. I will answer as best I can. Anyone want to add from their own experience then feel free.

The thing that suprised me and others is that at the time of writing this I have editied and produced over 130 hours of raw audio. But when you also consider this: For every minute of audio recorded it equates to 4 minutes of production - that figure gets times by 4 = 520 hours!

That includes researching, show notes, editing, recording, mixing, encoding, uploading... the works.

I was even being pretty conservative with my estimates because I used a raw audio of one hour and 30 minutes and it is nearly always more than that and some shows have been 2 hours of recorded audio.

That should get the conversation going!

Anyone want to tell me how many days or weeks that is?
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superstar - moderator
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Well my short adventure into audio commenting told me that it's a lot more difficult that it "looks" anyway...

That "mini podcast" I sent a couple episodes ago took me about 6 or 7 hours to pull together, including figuring out how to get Audacity to do what I wanted it to do... and singing the AGP tune about 2983 times until I got something decent. (Although I'm sure there are people who wouldn't call what I sent decent.)

I'm thinking about buying an actual Behringer mic at some point... they have those Podcaster kits on eBay...
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superstar - admin
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Herne what you sent in was great! No, I am not just saying that either. It was better than most podcasts out there churn out each week.

Certainly gave you an appreciation for what it takes though eh?
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Just be glad that you aren't using Pro Tools as it bounces the audio in real time. For concert recordings that I do at uni it takes about 1 hour to record, 1 hour to mix and then another hour to bounce it. So it takes me about 3 time the recording length to get a rough/final mix out.

I made a podcast for a subject at uni and it took much longer than I thought that it would so I definitely appreciate the effort you guys put in.

I'm sure that I'll think of a question at some stage.

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superstar - moderator
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@Dave I was talkin about the singing being bad, not necessarily the attempt...  I think howler monkeys may  have been more in tune. Tongue out

And yes, I can appreciate the amount of work that goes into producing each podcast. Just taking out the "Uhs" and "Umms" must eat up a lot of time.
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Funny but, you get used to the waveform of am "UMMM" and "ERRR". I often don't need to hear them now. The other thing is that they look very different for everyone. Weird I thought they would be similar. But then you have the pitch and volume which is pretty unique in itself so to be expected!
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I don't think I'll ever get into Podcasting then... I tend to Ummm and Errr a fair bit... it'd take weeks rather than hours to edit! ;)

Can you automate it? (he says, knowing nothing about editing really!) Is there a way of getting a computer to recognise a certain wave form and strip it out? How do the big broadcasters do it with their big budgets?

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There is no doubt that learning not to umm  and err is a skill.

The short answer is no there is no way to automate the process. The professionals just don't say it, they don't umm and err. It takes a lot of effort and general awareness of what you are saying. You are actually talking one thing and thinking another. Seriously, I might be saying one thing and in my mind I am thinking about what next.

Where you have issues is: lack of preparation and distractions. So the big thing is to prepare and actually plan how the show is going to run. For that we have a "Running Sheet". This is a plan of the show, the stories and segments. Some of it is scripted but 99% is not. We know exactly where we are going though and have a clear goal.

This all helps to eliminate the errrr factor.

The next thing is distractions. Email is off, no twitter and set Skype to DND. These "electronic" distractions totally derail your train of thought and your lost in about 2 seconds. So they are off.

But most of all it takes practice. You learn new ways of delaying what you were saying without saying errr or ummm. You change the way you speak and you get better over time. It gets easier but it is a real self awareness thing and having that ability to think ahead while your speaking.

As far as the actual automatic editing. It is nearly impossible. Even though I can recognize an umm and err on a waveform, they are different for each person, vary greatly even with the same person. The length is different etc. And they are sounds that can make words - so a computer is hard pressed to know and be able to tell the difference. So it is up to the post production team.
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WTF is erm... wrong with erm.. Errmm.. or Uhhmm ? Hmm ? Um? ? ?

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superstar - admin
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All of the above... same shit different brain fart

Just makes it sound less professional is all. Would rather it sounded as good as possible.
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Yeah, I had to write myself a freakin script last time because everytime I recorded the bloody thing I said something different!

Maybe next time I'll just write down the salient points so I remember them...
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From what I've heard now listening to talk radio shows (from a completely different perspective now that I'm podcasting) professionals seem to take a second or two of dead air and collect their thoughts before launching into their next thought. Dead air would be something relatively easy to automatically eliminate by looking for volume below a certain decibel range.

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Hey guyz , you are after all HUMAN right !

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Last time I checked KW but I can not be certain about Herne...
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So Dave,
What to you do when you interview someone and there it maxes out every now and then (distorts) is there a high pass filter you can use in Audacity? Is it a plugin?

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Stinger42, once you have over modulated audio - you can't get it back, it is buggered. Sure you could filter out the noise it produces, but there is nothing there but white noise, it has distorted to the point that words and sounds we associate with words are not present.

So your left with cleaning up the audio and that is about it. So what do I do?

Test record before every record! I admit though, I did this for about 40-50 odd shows, after that I started to be able to "hear" if the levels were right. Plus the fact that I use very controlled conditions and everyone knows the level they need and they don't mess with it too much.

In your test record get your attendees to talk at their normal level, get excited as well just so you get that top end taken care of. One trick I use is to hit the record button and don't tell them, it is hard to be natural when you know your being recorded for the purpose for testing levels.

Give yourself plenty of what's referred to as "headroom". That means you need to set the levels low enough so that at someones loudest they don't over-modulate.

Ideally in your test recording you should look at the meter. You should see the levels floating between -7 to -10. That is optimal. But I have rescued levels that were about -35 (that's pretty quiet!). But it also demonstrates an important point.

You can nearly always rescue quiet audio but once it goes +0 your stuffed.

In post production I both run the audio through a compressor and normalize the levels up to about -1 (no higher if you intend to convert the file to an mp3). This brings up the levels from that "safe" -7 -10. So the resultant audio file has a constant loudness and there are no big fluctuations and listeners are not messing with the volume through the show.

I don't use Audacity to edit the show. I use SONY SoundForge. Excellent bit of kit for bugger all outlay. One of the best investments I made. You don't need Audition, it is way too much for the average podcaster.

Ultimately though you have to expect an interview to be an unknown quantity. Your guests may not know as much as you do about audio and it might have been a monumental accomplishment for them to just get on Skype! I think that listeners know this and accept that an interview may not be the usual top quality and why. But with a bit of experimentation, a test record and slick editing you can make the most of the opportunity.

Hope that is the sort of answer you were after. Cheers and great question! Maybe I should blog this stuff?

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What is the BOOM button that Dave sometimes presses?

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superstar - admin
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LOL no button. That is me accidentally hitting the boom arm that holds my microphone. The boom is made up of metal and springs that suspend the arm. When you hit it the springs resonate and make an awful noise.

So I am not actually hitting any button as much as hitting the sensitive electrical equipment :P

The reason I am hitting more atm is that it is in a different spot and I am still getting used to where it is.

Thanks for the question!

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Dave often waves his arms about when he's recording the podcast... It happens when he drinks. :P
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Do we know why Dave drinks so much?

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